BBS

i personaly think its better to give snacks and that present to the kids. I hate buying a $12 8oz can of chocolates from one of those fund raisers knowing that im only giving the place that needs the money about $2 an item.

I think it means shut up and pass the egg nog.

Here's an interesting take on the xmas/holidays issue:

I didn't think about this before, but the word "holiday" is a contraction of the words "holy days". So, I guess that kinda makes sense that we say "happy holidays" referring to all the religious holidays at around this time of year. Iunno... just an interesting article.

i was kicked in the balls yesterday from a kid in a "holiday hat that is red with a little white ball at the end of it"

or i could just hurt peoples feelings and call it a santa hat cause when i say the word santa it means that if you are jewish then FUCK YOU AND YOUR JEWISH HOLIDAY AND DONT JUDGE ME CAUSE I USE THE WORD SANTA......pant pant

man i love

Wow! The first kinda-in-depth conversation in a while on here. Fun times! Somebody start another! ;)

Whenever I went to church, my Christmas was a lot more religious. We would reinact Jesus' birth. We would have a santa, and would exchange gifts. Now I don't go to church, and as I hate to use it as an excuse, I don't have the time. It will be my New Years resolution to be more in touch with God. My take on business's is that a majority or them don't give a damn about the "real meaning of Christmas". They are in it to make money. Happy Holidays is for the time between Thanksgiving and New Years. Our Christmas was adopted by Christians and molded to fit as a Christian customs. Some customs weren't even Christian related. If a Christian wants to decorate a "Christmas" tree to celebrate Jesus, then he can. If a non-Christian wants to decorate a dead prostitute to celebrate the kill, then he can. Whoever decides to complain about something that has been in practice for many years, should do their homework. There is no right or wrong answer. EVERYONE celebrates this time of year, so do it the way you want to do it. Remember Festivus from Seinfeld? This is a non-religious holiday, and it's celebrated around Christmas.

Business's tend to cater to the majority. It equals more money. Tradition is Christmas. Commercialism ruined the Christian Christmas. If anybody should be bitching about this, it should be Christians!!! Christians should be happy that these places will no longer say, "Buy 2 get 1 free during our Christmas sale."

Christmas trees. This ones a hard one. How many people out there decorate a tree, and aren't Christinan. My dad for one. We decorate the tree. There isn't anything God about it. We play Christmas songs. GODLY Christmas songs. My dad doesn't care. Heck, he likes the songs. It doesn't make him think of Jesus. It probably gets him in the spirit when he was a child. It's a magical time for kids. It's what kids look forward to every year. Whether it be because Santa was coming, or because Jesus was born. Heck. When I was a child, I was all for Santa. I was aware of Jesus, but that's not why I loved Christmas. Let's say they changed the name of the Christmas tree to a Holiday tree. Would I still buy one? Sure. I need a CHRISTMAS tree. Will I have an answer to when Hunter asks me why they call it a Holiday tree? YEah, "It's called a Holiday tree, so that everyone can enjoy it instead of just Christians."

Let's turn it around.
Will a non-Christian have an answer for when their kid asks why it's called a Christmas tree? Yeah. "This is what they are called, son. The Christians brought this custom of Christmas, and the tree is part of that custom. But OUR custom is to decorate a Holiday tree, cause we will be celebrating the Holidays. A tree is a tree."Sure, long winded, but you know what I'm saying.

Just know that no matter how much religion has affected our country, someone will always be pissed about it. Instead of blending beleifs, some people think that our nation is black and white, and there is only one way to make everyone happy. Unfortunately that isn't the case. I have my beliefs and no one can make me change. I'm sure that everybody has their own beliefs, but I'm not going to make them change either Imagine our nation as one person. He/She was brought up these past 200 years to be a better person. His/Her beliefs made him/her the person he/she is today. Why rip the cross of his/her chest instead of ask why he/she wears it in the first place?

yeah, exactly. and i think that's what stores are trying to do -- be inclusive by saying "holidays" rather than exclusive. they don't want to offend non-christians by saying "christmas" -- they want the jew and muslim dollar, too. and why shouldn't they? it's their right as a capitalist entity. and if people are offended by the ommision of christ from christmas, then shop somewhere that references chirstmas instead of holidays.

based on saint's take on "holidays", that's something like:
Code:

I hear that. We have upper management that don't work in this state, yet recently forced all of our off-site employees (i.e., telecommuters) to relocate here, or get sacked. Then, these same managers are never around when important decisions need to be made, and get the credit when we have to make it for them (when it turns out to be right -- when it's wrong, that person usually gets demoted). When a project fails miserable b/c they're not around, they never get reprimanded -- they get promoted, and usually get to have some nice plush role after our next reorg.

As for the xmas/holidays thing -- for me it's not a religious thing as much as i just plain hate the holiday season. I don't like all the hubub and cheer. Part of it too, is b/c when I was a kid, the holidays meant choosing between parts of the family and taking sides. So now, I just want to shoot every santa ringing his bell outside the grocery store and harassing me for change when I'm just trying to get some damn dog food. I much prefer when they ask the other ten months out of the year outside the liquor store. At least there's no bell. And then there's this crap*.

And (IMHO, of course) "the holidays" has traditionally referred not to Harichristmaquanzukah (end of December), but to that span between Thanksgiving through the New Year. That's, at least, always been my take on "the holidays" (for what it's worth).

* This is what my neighborhood starts to look like about a week after Halloween. People all over town drive down my street and choke it all up -- making it damn near impossible to drive down when I'm just coming back from the store with my dog food.

I have two rants mainly at the moment, and one I don't want to start a religion war, but I was watching a bit of the O'Reilly factor and he was talking about stores that don't say "Merry Christmas" or let their ad's say anything about Christmas because it's too "Godly". Ummmm, c'mon people, CHRISTmas???? BIRTH OF OUR LORD? I don't know, I guess I just want to say, if they are going to be that way then why not eliminate Christmas all together? Not that I am one of these that just presses religion on everyone or something, but goodness people at least let the Salvation Army people ring their bells outside your doors, they are only there for a couple of weeks, and let your employees and ad's say "Merry Christmas" during the season.

Ok here's my second rant. With me working in a major hospital we have to get state qualifications and so on and so forth. Ok, where's the problem you say? Well, every so often, reps from the state come in to make sure that the hospital is doing things the way they want so they'll keep paying medicaid and medicare and what not. My bosses are completely shitting gold bricks because every little thing has to be up to par. The reason this pisses me off is because otherwise, my bosses are nowhere to be found, like if employees have a problem or if there are other problems with the unit I work on, they are like, "oh figure it out by yourself." Only now, just now, while the state people are here, they are the bosses they should be, and the hospital is the way it should be. It just kinda aggrivates me. Anyone else have something like that happen, like when the head management people come through like once every ten years??
Ok guys, done ranting, thanks for listening to my hormones. :)

you know, the next armed revolution won't be over gas prices, or military/political/social issues -- it'll be over these litigious fucks who use copyright, trademarks, and patent laws to prevent you from doing anything.